territoriumdrift

Engels translation: hunger for territory

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Nederlands term of zin:territoriumdrift
Engels vertaling:hunger for territory

18:30 Oct 8, 2010
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Nederlands term of zin: territoriumdrift
What is the correct translation of 'territoriumdrift'. The passage reads:

'Er is een enorme territoriumdrift ontstaan. Nieuwe visgronden en grote olie- en gasvelden worden sneller bereikbaar dan gedacht. Een aantal landen voelt zich ineens toch verwant met het Arctische gebied.'
Naomi Portnoy
Local time: 09:05
hunger for territory
Uitleg:
Second, we are unlike Rome, unlike Britain and France and Spain and the other classical empires of modern times, in that we do not hunger for territory.


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a great hunger for territory has grown
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Barend van Zadelhoff
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3 +3hunger for territory
Barend van Zadelhoff
4 +2Territorial drive
Arie Uittenbogaard
4Territorial drift
Dr Lofthouse
4territoriality
Lianne van de Ven
3territorial "carve up"
Michael Beijer
3territorial appetite
kamilw
3turf war
Sally Hill (X)
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EITHER "territoriality" OR "territorial drift"
Michael Beijer

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Territorial drift


Uitleg:
. explained in text

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hunger for territory


Uitleg:
Second, we are unlike Rome, unlike Britain and France and Spain and the other classical empires of modern times, in that we do not hunger for territory.


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a great hunger for territory has grown

Barend van Zadelhoff
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eens  Henky de Vries
27 min
  -> Dank je wel, Henky.

eens  Jack den Haan: Or territorial drive, as Arie suggests (assuming this interpretation is correct, see discussion above).
31 min
  -> Dank je wel, Jack.

eens  Barbara Backer-Gray (X)
1 uur
  -> Dank je wel, Barbara.
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Territorial drive


Uitleg:
The context seems to suggest that the Dutch word 'drift' has more to do with 'drive (as in vluchtdrift, geestdrift, levensdrift...) than with the English 'drift'.

Voorbeeldzin(nen):
  • Players may or may not be conscious that the originating impulse comes from the territorial drive. (
  • james127family.org/documents/Level2/.../territorial%20games.doc
Arie Uittenbogaard
Nederland
Local time: 09:05
Moedertaal: Nederlands, Engels

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eens  Jack den Haan: (assuming this interpretation is correct, see discussion above)
10 min

eens  Ron Willems: yep
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territorial "carve up"


Uitleg:
Seems like this might catch the meaning of the provided context, "Er is een enorme territoriumdrift ontstaan. Nieuwe visgronden en grote olie- en gasvelden worden sneller bereikbaar dan gedacht. Een aantal landen voelt zich ineens toch verwant met het Arctische gebied."

Voorbeeldzin(nen):
  • Arctic nations were yesterday accused of paving the way for a polar "carve up" when they signed a deal aimed at resolving territorial disputes.

    Verwijzing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/29/fossilfuel...
    Verwijzing: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=terr...
Michael Beijer
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territoriality


Uitleg:
Or territorial attitude.
De territorium'drift' most likely refers to passion. But I'd prefer to avoid it in a more literal translation.

ter·ri·to·ri·al·i·ty
[ter-i-tawr-ee-al-i-tee, -tohr-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
territorial quality, condition, or status.
2.
the behavior of an animal in defining and defending its territory.
3.
attachment to or protection of a territory or domain.

Lianne van de Ven
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territorial appetite


Uitleg:
Just my thought when I read the original sentence. It's used quite often in political contexts.

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turf war


Uitleg:
a less literal translation, but as I understand the context there is a bit of a fight going on in this area

Voorbeeldzin(nen):
  • EU report sets up Arctic turf war

    Verwijzing: http://byers.typepad.com/arctic/european-union/
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Reference comments


40 min
Reference: EITHER "territoriality" OR "territorial drift"

Reference information:
I am not certain, but I think that "territoriumdrift" can mean TWO VERY DIFFERENT things: (A) "territoriality; territorialism; territorial attitude; territorial instinct; territorial behaviour" AND: (B) "territorial drift". However, I can't readily discern from the text which of the two the author is talking about. Example sentence of (A): "A behavior pattern in animals consisting of the occupation and defense of a territory." Example sentence of (B): "Typical of such expansions elsewhere in Eastern Africa, that of the Turkana was intricate and multi-faceted, sometimes involving only a rather subtle territoprial drift, but punctuated at frequent intervals by interactions, borrowings, adjustmentsm, conflicts and assimilations. (...)"


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Hmm. I might be completely mistaken here. I always assumed "territorial drift" involved actual drifting (afwijking van de koers). However, it seems that the "drift" in "territorial drift" might ONLY mean "passion, desire, urge, instinct, etc". Can someone please correct me if what I said above is wrong.

Michael Beijer
Verenigd Koninkrijk
Moedertaal: Engels
PRO-punten in categorie: 4

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutraal  Jack den Haan: It can mean both, Michael. Please see discussion section above.
8 min
neutraal  Barend van Zadelhoff: in connection with people, the Dutch word "territoriumdrift" can be best compared with things like "expansionism" / "territorial drift" would perhaps translate as "verschuiving van territorium" or something, I would have to research this.
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