Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van
English translation:
the professional standards of practice applicable at the time of
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Barend van Zadelhoff
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de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van de Facilitaire Die
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I am proofreading a document and the above has been translated as : the rules of the arts such as applicable at the time of the Facility Services.
It is the term de kunst' (the arts) that does not fit a contract for building a prison.
De Facilitaire Diensten moeten vanaf de Beschikbaarheidsdatum worden verricht in overeenstemming met (i) het Programma van Eisen, (ii) het Plan Facilitaire Diensten (dat jaarlijks wordt geactualiseerd), (iii) de toepasselijke Regelgeving en (iv) de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van de Facilitaire Dienstverlening.
It is the term de kunst' (the arts) that does not fit a contract for building a prison.
De Facilitaire Diensten moeten vanaf de Beschikbaarheidsdatum worden verricht in overeenstemming met (i) het Programma van Eisen, (ii) het Plan Facilitaire Diensten (dat jaarlijks wordt geactualiseerd), (iii) de toepasselijke Regelgeving en (iv) de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van de Facilitaire Dienstverlening.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | professional standards of practice applicable at the time of |
Barend van Zadelhoff
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| 4 +1 | according to the rules of the trade; according to best practice |
Michael Beijer
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Change log
Sep 29, 2017 10:15: Barend van Zadelhoff changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1870427">GSI Associates's</a> old entry - "de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van de Facilitaire Die"" to ""professional standards of practice applicable at the time of""
Sep 29, 2017 10:16: Barend van Zadelhoff changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/133080">Barend van Zadelhoff's</a> old entry - "de regels van de kunst zoals van toepassing op het moment van"" to ""professional standards of practice applicable at the time of""
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Barend van Zadelhoff
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professional standards of practice applicable at the time of
This might be an option.
See my references below
Example:
Professional Standards of Practice
Specialty trade subcontractors operate in a challenging business environment. Constructing quality buildings on time requires an infinite amount of cooperation between all parties from owners through to field employees. At the same time, each of the parties often has competing interests with other construction team members.
The American Subcontractors Association encourages responsible conduct through adherence by subcontractors to the following standards of practice. These standards represent subcontractor obligations which also are sound business practices that prove to be in the enlightened self interest of prudent subcontractors.
http://www.asa-nm.org/uploads/2016/Flyers/Professional Stand...
See my references below
Example:
Professional Standards of Practice
Specialty trade subcontractors operate in a challenging business environment. Constructing quality buildings on time requires an infinite amount of cooperation between all parties from owners through to field employees. At the same time, each of the parties often has competing interests with other construction team members.
The American Subcontractors Association encourages responsible conduct through adherence by subcontractors to the following standards of practice. These standards represent subcontractor obligations which also are sound business practices that prove to be in the enlightened self interest of prudent subcontractors.
http://www.asa-nm.org/uploads/2016/Flyers/Professional Stand...
Peer comment(s):
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Michael Beijer
: sounds good to me too
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Thank you, Michael!
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Muhammad Syarif
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Thank you, Muhammad.
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Comment: "Thank you"
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Michael Beijer
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76
Dutch term (edited):
volgens de regels van de kunst
according to the rules of the trade; according to best practice
volgens de regels van de kunst =
according to the rules of the trade; according to best practice
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I don't think "regels van de kunst" can be translated as "state of the art".
"state of the art", refers to the "LEVEL of development", which is not what the asker's src text says, iyam.
Merriam-Webster's:
"state of the art =
the level of development (as of a device, procedure, process, technique, or science) reached at any particular time usually as a result of modern methods" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/state of the art )
Asker's txt says:
"REGELS van de kunst"
"regels" are rules
Asker's text does not say "stand" (which would indeed be "level")
Oxforddictionaries.com defines "best practice" as:
"Commercial or professional procedures that are accepted or prescribed as being correct or most effective"
...so I think this can be used as a translation of "volgens de regels van de kunst".
However, another option might be "according to the rules of the trade" (volgens de regels der kunst).
according to the rules of the trade; according to best practice
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I don't think "regels van de kunst" can be translated as "state of the art".
"state of the art", refers to the "LEVEL of development", which is not what the asker's src text says, iyam.
Merriam-Webster's:
"state of the art =
the level of development (as of a device, procedure, process, technique, or science) reached at any particular time usually as a result of modern methods" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/state of the art )
Asker's txt says:
"REGELS van de kunst"
"regels" are rules
Asker's text does not say "stand" (which would indeed be "level")
Oxforddictionaries.com defines "best practice" as:
"Commercial or professional procedures that are accepted or prescribed as being correct or most effective"
...so I think this can be used as a translation of "volgens de regels van de kunst".
However, another option might be "according to the rules of the trade" (volgens de regels der kunst).
Peer comment(s):
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Barend van Zadelhoff
: 'best practice' might be okay (not sure it applies to the construction industry). 'rules of the trade' seems incorrect, London stock market and things
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"best practice" is used in myriad contexts, incl. construction. nothing wrong with "rules of the trade"; it's used in all kinds of contexts. see my refs. "the trade" means: "The people engaged in a particular area of business".
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Tina Vonhof (X)
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Thanks!
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Reference comments
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philgoddard
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Reference:
We've had this before
It means the state of the art, or the very highest standards.
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Or best practice.
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http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_dutch/law_contracts/344...
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Or best practice.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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writeaway
: this is standard stuff in any case. rules of the arts is pretty hilarious. so is "such as applicable at the time of the Facility Services".
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Michael Beijer
: agree w/ "best practice", but not "state of the art" (= stand van de technologie/techniek, modernste technologie, etc.) or "the very highest standards". I think you could also tr this as: "according to the rules of the trade" (volgens de regels der kunst)
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Thanks. "State of the art" doesn't just refer to technology: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/state of the art
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Barend van Zadelhoff
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Reference:
'Regels van de kunst'
De aannemer is verplicht om te werken volgens de afspraken uit het contract, de beschikbare plannen, het bestek en volgens de regels van de kunst. Dit laatste begrip houdt in: dat hij de werken uitvoert zoals een andere zorgvuldige aannemer deze werken in dezelfde omstandigheden zou uitvoeren.
http://www.livios.be/nl/bouwinformatie/bouwen-verbouwen-of-k...
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regels van de kunst:
op de wijze zoals een degelijke vakman van dezelfde beroepscategorie, geplaatst in dezelfde omstandigheden, dit zou gedaan hebben. De naleving van de regels van de kunst moet worden beoordeeld volgens de aard van het werk dat het voorwerp van de overeenkomst uitmaakt en volgens de prijs van de aanneming.
https://tinyurl.com/y775mlb6
De aannemer is verplicht om te werken volgens de afspraken uit het contract, de beschikbare plannen, het bestek en volgens de regels van de kunst. Dit laatste begrip houdt in: dat hij de werken uitvoert zoals een andere zorgvuldige aannemer deze werken in dezelfde omstandigheden zou uitvoeren.
http://www.livios.be/nl/bouwinformatie/bouwen-verbouwen-of-k...
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regels van de kunst:
op de wijze zoals een degelijke vakman van dezelfde beroepscategorie, geplaatst in dezelfde omstandigheden, dit zou gedaan hebben. De naleving van de regels van de kunst moet worden beoordeeld volgens de aard van het werk dat het voorwerp van de overeenkomst uitmaakt en volgens de prijs van de aanneming.
https://tinyurl.com/y775mlb6
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Michael Beijer
: agree with yr ref. => "volgens de regels van de kunst" = "according to best practice" (or "according to the rules of the trade"); but still do not think "state of the art" makes sense in Asker's context.
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Agree 'state of the art' is not what is meant. Basically it means that you do your work according to what currently is being seen as professional/ more simply, as you are supposed to do your work.
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Michael Beijer
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Reference:
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JurLex has:
volgens de regels der kunst =
by the rules
in accordance with the rules
...but I think this is missing the trade/art bit
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or probably even better:
"according to best practice"
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Oxforddictionaries.com:
state of the art:
The most recent stage in the development of a product, incorporating the newest ideas and features.
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a few UK construction-related refs for phrase "rules of the trade":
"The Contracting Authority may have regard to any of
the following means in its assessment:
(a) a list of the works carried out over the past five
years or goods and services carried out in the past
three years, accompanied by certificates of
satisfactory execution for the most important works.
These certificates shall indicate the value, date and
site of the works and shall specify whether they were
carried out according to the rules of the trade and
properly completed. Where appropriate, the
competent authority shall submit these certificates to
the contracting authority direct;
"
(http://www.uksbs.co.uk/services/procure/Documents/Futures Re... )
"3 Follow the generally acknowledged rules of the trade and of
technology for the installation of floor covering and wood
flooring of the respective applicable national standards (e.g.
EN, DIN, OE, SIA, etc.). The following apply as well or are
recommended for special consideration: ..."
(https://www.screedgiant.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/HubUploads/... )
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(for Barend)
"the trade":
(the trade) [TREATED AS SINGULAR OR PLURAL]
The people engaged in a particular area of business:
usage examples:
– in the trade this sort of computer is called ‘a client-based system’
– Before the season begins those in the trade identify jackfruit trees in the area that give good quality fruit.
– The aim should be to build an honest relationship with 10 journalists across the trade and national press.
– He comes into the trade at a buoyant time, with brisk business reported locally in the market.
– It was his policy to ask no questions in his dealings with the trade.
– Soon the business began to offer wholesale framing to the trade.
etc.
https://premium.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/tr...
volgens de regels der kunst =
by the rules
in accordance with the rules
...but I think this is missing the trade/art bit
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or probably even better:
"according to best practice"
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-09-23 15:57:32 GMT)
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Oxforddictionaries.com:
state of the art:
The most recent stage in the development of a product, incorporating the newest ideas and features.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2017-09-23 16:26:50 GMT)
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a few UK construction-related refs for phrase "rules of the trade":
"The Contracting Authority may have regard to any of
the following means in its assessment:
(a) a list of the works carried out over the past five
years or goods and services carried out in the past
three years, accompanied by certificates of
satisfactory execution for the most important works.
These certificates shall indicate the value, date and
site of the works and shall specify whether they were
carried out according to the rules of the trade and
properly completed. Where appropriate, the
competent authority shall submit these certificates to
the contracting authority direct;
"
(http://www.uksbs.co.uk/services/procure/Documents/Futures Re... )
"3 Follow the generally acknowledged rules of the trade and of
technology for the installation of floor covering and wood
flooring of the respective applicable national standards (e.g.
EN, DIN, OE, SIA, etc.). The following apply as well or are
recommended for special consideration: ..."
(https://www.screedgiant.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/HubUploads/... )
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(for Barend)
"the trade":
(the trade) [TREATED AS SINGULAR OR PLURAL]
The people engaged in a particular area of business:
usage examples:
– in the trade this sort of computer is called ‘a client-based system’
– Before the season begins those in the trade identify jackfruit trees in the area that give good quality fruit.
– The aim should be to build an honest relationship with 10 journalists across the trade and national press.
– He comes into the trade at a buoyant time, with brisk business reported locally in the market.
– It was his policy to ask no questions in his dealings with the trade.
– Soon the business began to offer wholesale framing to the trade.
etc.
https://premium.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/tr...
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