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Poll: "A foreign accent is a sign of bravery."
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Lingua 5B
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Bosnia y Herzegovina
Local time: 13:06
Miembro 2009
inglés al croata
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Very time consuming. Feb 7, 2021

Gerard Barry wrote:

Lingua 5B wrote:

People who had a better exposure to spoken target language will have less noticeable accent. I don’t mean TV shows etc. but real language in RL. People whose foreign language studies were more text based without any speech training will likely have a stronger accent. Of course some people acquire both, but this is more rare.





This is so true. When I studied German in school and university, our teachers didn't place near enough emphasis on proper pronunciation, despite the fact that some of them were native speakers of German themselves. Until I lived in Germany, I never really knew for instance that "a" and "ä", "o" and "ö" and "u" and "ü" are pronounced completely differently. This is pretty basic stuff but our teachers didn't bother telling us!


Most language programs don’t have this incorporated or only have some very basic, limited phonetic lessons. It’s time consuming with 100s of students and it’d be very expensive. They’d have to go around and check each one of you if your breathing, vowels, links, prosodies, tongue placement, consonants etc. are fine, then correcting everyone individually. It’s like singing class, that’s why there are only max. five people enrolled at singing class.


 
Gerard Barry
Gerard Barry
Alemania
Local time: 13:06
alemán al inglés
Expensive and time-consuming? Feb 8, 2021

Lingua 5B wrote:


Most language programs don’t have this incorporated or only have some very basic, limited phonetic lessons. It’s time consuming with 100s of students and it’d be very expensive. They’d have to go around and check each one of you if your breathing, vowels, links, prosodies, tongue placement, consonants etc. are fine, then correcting everyone individually. It’s like singing class, that’s why there are only max. five people enrolled at singing class.


The German classes I was in at school and university were quite small (ca. 10-15 students) so the problem was just lack of will on the part of the teachers as far as I'm concerned. They also assumed (correctly) that most of the students in the class would never need German in their professional or personal life after school and so probably didn't think proper pronunciation was important.


 
Robert Rietvelt
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Miembro 2006
español al neerlandés
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Wrong 2 Feb 8, 2021

Tom in London wrote:

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A foreign accent is a sign of not being able to speak the language properly.


So can be a native accent!

I know enough people with a "proper" accent who I would like to advice to go back to grammar school.

Silly poll by the way, but what is new.

[Edited at 2021-02-08 16:07 GMT]


Christopher Schröder
 
Christopher Schröder
Christopher Schröder
Reino Unido
Miembro 2011
sueco al inglés
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Umlauts Feb 8, 2021

Gerard Barry wrote:
Until I lived in Germany, I never really knew for instance that "a" and "ä", "o" and "ö" and "u" and "ü" are pronounced completely differently. This is pretty basic stuff but our teachers didn't bother telling us!


Blimey. I distinctly remember learning that at school aged about 13. Perfect introduction to German. Getting 30 kids to go "uu üü uu üü uu üü" like monkeys.


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Gerard Barry
Gerard Barry
Alemania
Local time: 13:06
alemán al inglés
Lucky you! Feb 8, 2021



Blimey. I distinctly remember learning that at school aged about 13. Perfect introduction to German. Getting 30 kids to go "uu üü uu üü uu üü" like monkeys.



Be glad that you had such a good teacher! Like I said, our teachers never bothered (at least not that I can remember). Thirteen was the exact age I was when I started learning German too by the way.


 
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