Glossary entry

español term or phrase:

counter-astil

inglés translation:

"Fore-Shaft (Socket)

Added to glossary by eski
Sep 8, 2008 00:58
15 yrs ago
español term

counter-astil

español al inglés Arte/Literatura Arte, artes manuales, pintura
I've searched on "counter-shaft" in the context of dart throwers and/or lances, and I don't get any hits. Does anyone know what this technical term is in English? TIA!

Como ejemplo están los astiles, varas delgadas y rectas de unos 45 cm de longitud por 2 de diámetro, en los que en un extremo introducían el pedúnculo de la punta del proyectil con escotaduras laterales y lo ataban con finas cuerdas, reforzadas a base de resina; en el otro extremo colocaban el llamado contra-astil, formado por una caña hueca y recta en la que incrustaban el otro extremo. Esos tres elementos constituyen el dardo, que sería arrojado por el átlatl o tiradera.
Proposed translations (inglés)
4 "Fore-Shaft (Socket)
3 nock
Change log

Sep 11, 2008 19:02: eski Created KOG entry

Sep 11, 2008 19:05: eski changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/819772">eski's</a> old entry - "counter-astil"" to """Fore-Shaft (Socket)""

Discussion

eski Sep 11, 2008:
Thanks for the compliment, Patricia-you flatter me; I'm glad the link helped you.
Patricia Rosas (asker) Sep 11, 2008:
Eski: You may not be an "expert atlatlist" but you are a fantastic researcher. That document (the link is broken above, but I found it anyway) is fabulous. I've searched 3 times, and only gotten very poorly written or short explanations and terrible drawings and few photos. So, thanks again! Just give me some time and I'll eventually post what I put in the finalized translation... Best, Patricia
eski Sep 11, 2008:
NOTE TO PATRICIA: As I said, I'm no expert on the subject, but from what I've researched , the following link may help you to identify the element you seek:

I've found that atlatl dart shafts do not need to be perfectly straight. ... We'll be making a fore-shaft that will have a taper to it that will mirror the ...
photos.imageevent.com/paleoaleo/atlatls/Making%20a%20Rivercane%20Atlatl%20Dart.doc - Páginas similares
Patricia Rosas (asker) Sep 11, 2008:
I may have made a terrible mistake ... Deborah and Eski: I think I've really gotten confused and I want to try to set the record straight. I read your answers and looked at various links. Most of what I saw described 3 parts, the dart, the handle (or what I though was the fore-shaft), and the knocking point (or maybe nock, as Deborah had it). But now I realize that this paragraph is describing just the dart (that is, the part that flies through the air). When I went back to proofread today, I realized that the next paragraph says: que sería arrojado por el átlatl o tiradera. Este consta de una larga pieza de madera, de 55 cm de largo por un ancho de 3.5, con un canal en el centro y un gancho en uno de sus extremos. Sobre el canal colocaban el dardo, recargado sobre el gancho, mientras que en el otro extremo dos escotaduras servían para apoyar los dedos; el conjunto era impulsado con gran fuerza sobre el blanco.

I am so rattled and short on time that I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to do more research, but I'll be back and make another posting with anything I might come up with ...
eski Sep 11, 2008:
Muchas gracias Patricia, y gracias por la informacion!

Proposed translations

18 horas
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"Fore-Shaft (Socket)

YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO HERE AND SEE HOW TO MAKE ONE:

29 Aug 2007 ... Preparing a foreshaft socket and nock. ... me alot with both atlatls and darts, your also the best atler ive seen. thanx for the help, ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D5IbheeFdQ - 73k - En caché - Páginas similares

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Note added at 18 hrs (2008-09-08 19:38:04 GMT)
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will cover this subject again in the section on Atlatl and Dart Technique ... The fore shaft fits snugly but not in anyway permanently into the dart shaft ...
www.internationalatlatlsociety.org/darts.html - 52k - En caché - Páginas similares

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Note added at 18 hrs (2008-09-08 19:40:46 GMT)
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[See page 52 for notching of atlatl dart and arrow fore-shafts]; Cressman, L.S., and A.D. Krieger; 1940 Atlatls and Associated Artifacts from Southcentral ...
www.worldatlatl.org/atlatl_books.html - 33k - En caché - Páginas similares
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you, Eski. After comparing your answer and Deborah's I did more reading, and I think "Fore-shaft" will work fine. I found one site where they called it the shaft, and called the astil "the dart" ... "
8 horas

nock

as marked in yellow in reference. You may already have noted that source term is "contra-astil" not "counter-astil".

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-09-08 09:13:27 GMT)
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sorry, highlighting doesn't seem to have come out on reference, please search for "nock". Thanks :-)
Note from asker:
Deborah: Sorry about the goof in the source term! About nock, M-W says: either of two tips of horn fastened on the ends of a bow and having notches for holding the string (2) : one of the notches cut in these or in the bow itself b (1) : the part of an arrow having a notch for the bowstring whether as formerly a thick bulbous wooden end containing the notch or as now usually an attached fixture (as of horn or plastic) : the butt end of any arrow (2) : the notch itself. So, I think here the reference is to another thin long piece of wood rather than what I've seen called "knocking point" itself. Apart from what Eski posted, in English, the astil is called the "dart" and the contra-astil is the "handle". Thanks for your answer...it drove me to do more research! ¡Saludos!
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