zeevarken

Engels translation: dogfish (type of shark)

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Nederlands term of zin:varkenshaai
Engels vertaling:dogfish (type of shark)
Ingevuld door: Kate Hudson (X)

13:08 Mar 7, 2008
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Nederlands term of zin: zeevarken
Not one hit on Google. The text says '... een zeevarken is een haai'. (No more context). My old dictionary gives it as 'sea hog' or porpoise but a porpoise is not a shark. Sea-pig is generally described on the internet as another term for a porpoise but is once linked to the Latin name 'scorpaena porcus' which I believe is a "scorpion fish". I am now totally confused. Does anyone know for definite what the Dutch term refers to?
Brian Moses
Verenigd Koninkrijk
Local time: 10:23
harbour porpoise
Uitleg:
http://users.pandora.be/willy.vancammeren/NBC/nbc_glos_b.htm

bruinvis Merswijn, meyrswijn: (Frans: Marsouin, Latijn: Phocoena phocoena) zeevarken, werd vroeger veel gegeten.

Harbour Porpoise.

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http://www.00957.06jn.thinkquest.nl/Haaien/Varkenshaai.html - this is a text with a zeevarken that is definitely a form of shark - dogfish http://www.fishnz.co.nz/species.cfm?cat=Sharks&fish=Spotted ...
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Kate Hudson (X)
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Local time: 11:23
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Thanks everyone for the discussion. The varkenshaai = dogfish idea would solve the riddle since I believe a dogfish is classed as a shark so may well have been what the author was thinking of. Don't know about the glossary entry though in view of the wide range of creatures that seem to be classed as a zeevarken!
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3 +1sea pig
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sea pig


Uitleg:
Sea pig might just do the thing! "Seevark" in Afrikaans is also called a "tornyn", which is a small dolphin, about 1.5m long and looks rather like a porpoise (although it isn't) and is often referred to by fisherman as a 'tornyn' (Afrikaans ...
www.simonelwen.net/index2.php/research/PhD?SimonElwen=16247... - 6k -
These are well-known terms in the villages along the South African west coast.



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I found another reference: Labuschagne & Eksteen, Verklarende Afrikaanse Woordeboek, Van Schaik, 1993: seevark, "Stompneussoogdier van die see, 'n soort dolfyn, wat in troppe voorkom en wydverspreid is, bruinvis (Phocaena, Cephalorhyncus, Lagonorhyncus, Lactoria spp.")

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-03-07 14:16:20 GMT)
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typo for "fishermEn". Sorry!

Andries Conradie
Local time: 11:23
Moedertaal: Engels

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eens  lexispro: Yes, this is in line with the Pharos reference.
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harbour porpoise


Uitleg:
http://users.pandora.be/willy.vancammeren/NBC/nbc_glos_b.htm

bruinvis Merswijn, meyrswijn: (Frans: Marsouin, Latijn: Phocoena phocoena) zeevarken, werd vroeger veel gegeten.

Harbour Porpoise.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-03-07 14:57:03 GMT)
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http://www.00957.06jn.thinkquest.nl/Haaien/Varkenshaai.html - this is a text with a zeevarken that is definitely a form of shark - dogfish http://www.fishnz.co.nz/species.cfm?cat=Sharks&fish=Spotted ...

Kate Hudson (X)
Nederland
Local time: 11:23
Moedertaal: Engels
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Thanks everyone for the discussion. The varkenshaai = dogfish idea would solve the riddle since I believe a dogfish is classed as a shark so may well have been what the author was thinking of. Don't know about the glossary entry though in view of the wide range of creatures that seem to be classed as a zeevarken!

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eens  Ken Cox: Maybe the author got zeevarken confused with varkenshaai. There probably aren't that many people any more who know what a zeevarken is (judging by the number of google hits for people who find Varkensvisser a comical name).\\That's certainly possible.
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  -> Thanks, Ken - I think in this context it's actually a dogfish - given the references to it being a shark
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blue porpoise-shark


Uitleg:
This is one of the confusing situations where animals are referred to by their vernacular names. According to the "Pharos Groot Woordeboek" a "seevark" in Afrikaans is a stump-nosed dophin-like creature, also referred to as a "tornyn". A "tornyn" (Lagonorhyncus) is a blue porpoise-shark. This explanation may possibly serve for Dutch "seevark" as well.

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Sorry, Dutch "zeevarken"!

lexispro
Zuid-Afrika
Local time: 11:23
Moedertaal: Engels, Native in AfrikaansAfrikaans
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