wel de lusten maar niet de lasten

Engels translation: all gain, no pain

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Nederlands term of zin:wel de lusten maar niet de lasten
Engels vertaling:all gain, no pain
Ingevuld door: Chris Hopley

11:49 Jun 15, 2011
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Nederlands term of zin: wel de lusten maar niet de lasten
In a newspaper article, reference is made to the decision not to build nuclear power plants, but instead to import electricity (including nuclear) from elsewhere:

"In de discussie over de bouw van kerncentrales noemt minister Verhagen van Economische Zaken het hypocriet als Nederland geen kerncentrale wil bouwen, maar wel kernenergie uit Frankrijk importeert. Wel de lusten maar niet de lasten. Dat moet je als Nederlander niet willen."

Is there a nice idiomatic way of expressing this in English? So far I've got the rather dull "reaping the benefits without any of the drawbacks". Surely there must be a more inspired solution than this?!! Who can help?
Chris Hopley
Nederland
Local time: 00:03
(wanting) gain without (the) pain
Uitleg:
"Gain without pain" seems a simple enough solution to me...

Borders the idiom: "geen lusten zonder lasten" (i.e. "[there is] no pleasure without pain" according to Van Dale)...

I would have opted for "wanting pleasure without pain"; however, I think there is something to be said about the rhyme in the idiom and the 'wisselwoorden' (i.e. robin words) "lusten" and "lasten".

So, in the spirit of "No pain, no gain", I am flipping it around...

Seems to be used here and there on "the internets"

http://focus.aps.org/story/v4/st12

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v5/n10/full/nn1002-923.h...

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:idw9IZ0tZeUJ:ipc.b...



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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2011-06-16 20:16:11 GMT)
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Used in context: "In the debate over the construction of nuclear power plants, Minister Verhagen of Economic Affairs labels it hypocritical for the Dutch to stave off building nuclear power plants, yet they readily hoard in nuclear energy from France. That is like wanting all the gain without any pain, which is not what the Dutch are supposed to be about."
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Bryan Crumpler
Verenigde Staten
Local time: 18:03
Grading comment
Nice, Bryan. I like this solution, and Maria's fine-tuning!
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Samenvatting van gegeven antwoorden
4 +4(wanting) gain without (the) pain
Bryan Crumpler
3 +2enjoying the pleasures without assuming the burdens
Barend van Zadelhoff
1 +2wanting to have your cake and eat it
W Schouten
3to have the penny and the bun
Dave Greatrix
3Having the advantages without the disadvantages
Monique van Brandenburg
Summary of reference entries provided
have your cake and eat it too
Lianne van de Ven

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16 min   vertrouwen: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 eens / oneens (netto): +2
wanting to have your cake and eat it


Uitleg:
May be?

W Schouten
Verenigd Koninkrijk
Local time: 23:03
Moedertaal: Nederlands, Engels

Commentaar van collega's op dit antwoord (en reacties van beantwoorder)
eens  Lianne van de Ven: I like this better than 'pleasures' in this nuclear power context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_and_eat_it_too
1 uur
  -> Thank you

eens  Tina Vonhof (X)
2 uren
  -> Dank je wel Tina
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32 min   vertrouwen: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 eens / oneens (netto): +2
enjoying the pleasures without assuming the burdens


Uitleg:
the expression is often used in connection with relations
I think this is what it comes down to

Barend van Zadelhoff
Nederland
Local time: 00:03
Moedertaal: Nederlands

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eens  W Schouten: may be benefits rather than pleasures
9 min
  -> Dank je wel, W. The expression stems from a Christian mindset (CDA (..)). It's hard for me to let go of 'pleasures' vs 'burdens', but 'benefits' would introduce some alliteration: B & B :-)

eens  Piotrnikitin
44 min
  -> Thank you, Piotrnikitin.
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3 uren   vertrouwen: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
to have the penny and the bun


Uitleg:
Another option.

http://suffragents.freehostia.com/articles file/feminism.htm...

Dave Greatrix
Verenigd Koninkrijk
Local time: 23:03
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Moedertaal: Engels
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9 uren   vertrouwen: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Having the advantages without the disadvantages


Uitleg:
Van Dale lusten en lasten = advantages and disadvantages.
But maybe this sounds a bit too positive?

Monique van Brandenburg
Nederland
Local time: 00:03
Moedertaal: Nederlands
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5 uren   vertrouwen: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 eens / oneens (netto): +4
(wanting) gain without (the) pain


Uitleg:
"Gain without pain" seems a simple enough solution to me...

Borders the idiom: "geen lusten zonder lasten" (i.e. "[there is] no pleasure without pain" according to Van Dale)...

I would have opted for "wanting pleasure without pain"; however, I think there is something to be said about the rhyme in the idiom and the 'wisselwoorden' (i.e. robin words) "lusten" and "lasten".

So, in the spirit of "No pain, no gain", I am flipping it around...

Seems to be used here and there on "the internets"

http://focus.aps.org/story/v4/st12

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v5/n10/full/nn1002-923.h...

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:idw9IZ0tZeUJ:ipc.b...



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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2011-06-16 20:16:11 GMT)
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Used in context: "In the debate over the construction of nuclear power plants, Minister Verhagen of Economic Affairs labels it hypocritical for the Dutch to stave off building nuclear power plants, yet they readily hoard in nuclear energy from France. That is like wanting all the gain without any pain, which is not what the Dutch are supposed to be about."

Bryan Crumpler
Verenigde Staten
Local time: 18:03
Werkzaam in dit vakgebied
Moedertaal: Engels
PRO-punten in categorie: 4
Grading comment
Nice, Bryan. I like this solution, and Maria's fine-tuning!

Commentaar van collega's op dit antwoord (en reacties van beantwoorder)
eens  Ymkje Kuipers
2 uren

eens  Glenda Janssen: Very elegant solution. I had brainfreeze yesterday and could not come up with the appropriate idiom.
1 dag 2 uren

eens  Maria Danielson: or "all gain, no pain"
1 dag 21 uren
  -> Haha... that rings so much better IMO!

eens  Sandrijn Van Den Noortgate
10 dagen
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Reference comments


1 uur
Reference: have your cake and eat it too

Reference information:
I think this fits better in this context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_and_eat_it...
have your cake (not have your nuclear power plants in the NLS) and eat it too (import it from somewhere else).

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-06-15 13:28:16 GMT)
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Reposting the broken link:
http://en.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_and_eat_it_too

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-06-15 13:28:56 GMT)
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I guess html doesn't like the apostrophe

Lianne van de Ven
Verenigde Staten
Moedertaal: Nederlands
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